We define an expansion onset (synonymous with the main breakup) to be one with sufficient signatures of open tail reconnection. Earlier onsets, which we term initial onsets, occur before the expansion onset, without the signatures of open tail reconnection but with other signs of a clear substorm onset. These two types of substorm onsets and their timing are discussed herein in a study of selected substorm-like events. During the 10-hour interval studied, five impulses of the Perreault-Akasofu index ϵ were observed with comparable peak values. However, the observed magnetospheric responses were very different in terms of equatorward motion and poleward expansion of the auroral oval. We conclude that the occurrence either of an initial onset or of a full onset (under similar boundary conditions) depends on the amount of stored free energy, proportional to the tail length, which is controlled by the input power. The earlier or initial onset marks a sudden change in the convection pattern in the nightside. This onset could mark the initiation of reconnection on closed field lines while the expansion onset could mark the initiation of reconnection on open field lines. ¿ 2000 American Geophysical Union